[sonick]

Originally Posted by westopher

This is the most indirect, manipulative, gaslighting bullshit man.
You want to disagree, that's fine. Be direct and stop acting like you aren’t a part of the disagreements. You come in here, want to disagree with people, then get upset and talk about how "everyone is so full of hate." Be clear, state your opinions with convictions and quit beating around the bush. People have every right to call you out on it if you want to partake in the discussion, just like you have the right to speak your words.

YES thank you. These manipulative tactics must continued to be called out directly if we are ever going to get to direct transparent discourse of substance.

And Zedbra, instead of asking your two boys about their perception of the people posting here, why don't you point the mirror at yourself and ask your two boys about their perception of being used as cannon fodder in their father's attempt to misdirect and weasel his way out of direct accountability and confrontation for his statements (or lack thereof)? Disgraceful.