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I bought a used car from dealer, listed a little over $10K, easily negotiated $2000 off. But that was about 4 years ago. From then on, I mentally take off $2K on any used car price on a reputable lot. Just know that dealer probably low balled guy who traded it in or bought at a really low price at auction. I'm all for salesperson making a reasonable amount of money to put bread on the table for their family but not a gazillion off me. Research what trade in price is, add what you think is reasonable to do inspection, oil change, detailed, etc. and then be ready to walk away if they don't blink.
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