Everyone always thinks that used car dealers are making a killing. No one ever thinks of the overhead they have so they can keep the business running. Any lot that is half decent is getting close to $10.000 now. Factor in dealer plates, mechanics, detailing, advertising etc. Buying a good clean car for the right price ?? Those days are gone, anyone can open up clist and see what their car is going for and demand retail $$$ for it. Good luck buying wholesale from new car dealerships when you are in a bidding war with 15 other used car dealers. Someone will always overpay to get the car. Auctions are even worse. Cars sell over retail price on Eblock and other online auctions. New car dealers started keeping and retailing their trade ins no matter how old they are or what brand it is. Once you finally get the customer through the door, $2000 discount is something that everyone expects but they wont overlook a small scratch on a $5000 car and will demand extra discount. God forbid their bulb burns out in a month, here they come wanting everything fixed. Anyways i just felt like ranting for a bit, feel free to ignore me