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JD¹³ · 01-11-2023, 06:08 PM

The procurement of the F35 is too late. The Liberals using it as a political football (along with the entire CF) has cost all Canadians immensely. As it stands the RCAF and CF as a whole are in a state of collapse and while that's the fault of all political parties the F35 in particular is a huge failure by the Liberals. That procurement was on the rocks during the 2015 election then they fully killed it and also pulled us out of Iraq and our boys on the ground lost their own air support.

Soon after with no new jet coming, brutal maintenance issues on the ancient CF18, already being under manned and under supported, and being held back from doing the job they truly signed up to do (projecting force against genuine evil like Daesh) people voted with their feet. The fighter force in particular had a huge loss of pilots and support personnel between 2017 and 2019. I do not exaggerate that about 50% of active fighter pilots released from the military as a result of these policies, there was no light at the end of the tunnel for them. The current training system is brutally backlogged because there aren't enough pilots and serviceable aircraft to train new pilots. It's all collapsing.

By the time the first 35's show up I have no idea how they plan to take delivery and stand them up. The above issues don't even get into the archaic bases the Hornets are currently housed in with hangers and infrastructure from the 60's. The F35 will require all new hangers, security, EW, and on and on and they won't have the people to do it. The CF doesn't even have the people to continue the NATO Air Policing missions in Eastern Europe, nor can it deploy a single Naval Frigate.

All political parties are to blame for this, it's coming to head now after decades of neglect. But since 2015 it has taken a sharp turn with bullshit Liberal policies, them fighting veterans in court for benefits, the latest VAC debacle et al. The floods in BC last fall were a shocking look at the actual capability they have even domestically. It will take a generation to fix but I see it actually imploding first if I'm honest. It's already begun.

01-11-2023, 06:08 PM	#4427
JD¹³ I Wanna Go Fast! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nomadic Posts: 5,935 Thanked 2,448 Times in 608 Posts Failed 367 Times in 102 Posts	The procurement of the F35 is too late. The Liberals using it as a political football (along with the entire CF) has cost all Canadians immensely. As it stands the RCAF and CF as a whole are in a state of collapse and while that's the fault of all political parties the F35 in particular is a huge failure by the Liberals. That procurement was on the rocks during the 2015 election then they fully killed it and also pulled us out of Iraq and our boys on the ground lost their own air support. Soon after with no new jet coming, brutal maintenance issues on the ancient CF18, already being under manned and under supported, and being held back from doing the job they truly signed up to do (projecting force against genuine evil like Daesh) people voted with their feet. The fighter force in particular had a huge loss of pilots and support personnel between 2017 and 2019. I do not exaggerate that about 50% of active fighter pilots released from the military as a result of these policies, there was no light at the end of the tunnel for them. The current training system is brutally backlogged because there aren't enough pilots and serviceable aircraft to train new pilots. It's all collapsing. By the time the first 35's show up I have no idea how they plan to take delivery and stand them up. The above issues don't even get into the archaic bases the Hornets are currently housed in with hangers and infrastructure from the 60's. The F35 will require all new hangers, security, EW, and on and on and they won't have the people to do it. The CF doesn't even have the people to continue the NATO Air Policing missions in Eastern Europe, nor can it deploy a single Naval Frigate. All political parties are to blame for this, it's coming to head now after decades of neglect. But since 2015 it has taken a sharp turn with bullshit Liberal policies, them fighting veterans in court for benefits, the latest VAC debacle et al. The floods in BC last fall were a shocking look at the actual capability they have even domestically. It will take a generation to fix but I see it actually imploding first if I'm honest. It's already begun. Last edited by JD¹³; 01-11-2023 at 06:22 PM. Reason: I speel gud