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Traum · 09-10-2023, 08:53 AM

Not a Tesla fanboi here, but I am fairly interested in its perceived low-ish operating cost. The recent price cuts have also sparked my interest, although I can't really see myself owning a Tesla until they make a U-turn on the steering wheel signal stalk design.

Some quick Googling suggests that there is no shortage of 300k+ miles Model S and Model 3.

Tesloop, a Califoria-based taxi company, apparently maintains a fleet of at least 7 Teslas -- with at least some of them being Model S and Model X. They have Teslas in the 100k - 300k+ miles range. Some batteries have been replaced, though apparently not bcos of degradation issue, but packaging issues. Generally, it seems like their experience is -- the battery doesn't degrade too much, but other issues such as range estimate and power level reductions bcos of that -- do come up. One of their Model X lost 23% of its range after 330k+ miles.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/a-te...-300000-miles/
https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-...eresting-data/

And here is a Canadian Model 3 with 500k km:

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/t...ow-194534.html

20% battery degradation on the original battery, but the owner supercharges the battery a lot.

What does this tell us about Tesla's long term reliability? Personally, I am not really sure. There are million miles Toyotas and even Subarus, although most of those have at least had their transmission rebuilt / swapped, and maybe more. Do we generally expect ICE drivetrains to last 300k miles? or even just 300k km? I dunno about you, but I certainly don't. Personally, I'd only expect the most reliable engines -- those from Honda and Toyota -- to last 250 - 300k km with regular maintenance. I'd expect transmissions to have shorter life spans -- maybe 200k km or less?

We know Tesla's built quality is not as high as many other makes, so a lot of BS stuff that shouldn't break would break.

When the time comes for me to replace one of my ICE vehicles, I hope to do so with an EV. Tesla might be a contender, but I'd also hope traditional manufacturers would make an appealing enough product for me to consider. For now, this seems like the most promising candidate -- if it comes to the N.American market...

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Traum RS.net, helping ugly ppl have sex since 2001 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Paradise, BC Posts: 8,393 Thanked 8,162 Times in 3,396 Posts Failed 262 Times in 148 Posts	Not a Tesla fanboi here, but I am fairly interested in its perceived low-ish operating cost. The recent price cuts have also sparked my interest, although I can't really see myself owning a Tesla until they make a U-turn on the steering wheel signal stalk design. Some quick Googling suggests that there is no shortage of 300k+ miles Model S and Model 3. Tesloop, a Califoria-based taxi company, apparently maintains a fleet of at least 7 Teslas -- with at least some of them being Model S and Model X. They have Teslas in the 100k - 300k+ miles range. Some batteries have been replaced, though apparently not bcos of degradation issue, but packaging issues. Generally, it seems like their experience is -- the battery doesn't degrade too much, but other issues such as range estimate and power level reductions bcos of that -- do come up. One of their Model X lost 23% of its range after 330k+ miles. https://www.motortrend.com/news/a-te...-300000-miles/ https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-...eresting-data/ And here is a Canadian Model 3 with 500k km: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/t...ow-194534.html 20% battery degradation on the original battery, but the owner supercharges the battery a lot. What does this tell us about Tesla's long term reliability? Personally, I am not really sure. There are million miles Toyotas and even Subarus, although most of those have at least had their transmission rebuilt / swapped, and maybe more. Do we generally expect ICE drivetrains to last 300k miles? or even just 300k km? I dunno about you, but I certainly don't. Personally, I'd only expect the most reliable engines -- those from Honda and Toyota -- to last 250 - 300k km with regular maintenance. I'd expect transmissions to have shorter life spans -- maybe 200k km or less? We know Tesla's built quality is not as high as many other makes, so a lot of BS stuff that shouldn't break would break. When the time comes for me to replace one of my ICE vehicles, I hope to do so with an EV. Tesla might be a contender, but I'd also hope traditional manufacturers would make an appealing enough product for me to consider. For now, this seems like the most promising candidate -- if it comes to the N.American market...