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Old 09-26-2023, 08:08 AM   #5316
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And so we get all the way back to square one -- should NATO just roll over and let Russia take Ukraine then? Isn't that what they did in 2014, and look where that has gotten us now? And if NATO really just rolled over and gave up on Ukraine, what do you think is going to happen to Poland and a number of other adjacent countries a few years down the road?

You do realize that Poland is right next to Germany, right?

If you think Ukraine and Russia can "just talk it out", I'd have to say you have zero understanding of how this war has been.
Yeah, appeasement has always historically been fantastic policy, one which is guaranteed to stop agressors and prevent them from conducting future invasions and conquering more territory....

*looks up European History 1938-9*

Ah Crap!

As I mentioned in the other Ukraine War thread, NATO is only as good as a member country's pledge to support it. To date only the US has ever invoked article 5 after 9/11. It has never been invoked in european conflict. Only a few years ago the USA had a president advocating for them leaving NATO altogether. I can't imagine Bud and Cleetus in Alabama are going to give more of a fuck if Russia wants to take a slice of Poland or Lithuania than they currently do about Ukraine. There is no guarantee of support. Much better to provide funds to stop the cancer from being able to spread now, then trying to fight it later with your own bodies.

Side note: Due to Russian sanctions, Canada's potash industry is having a huge boom, shipping double the tonnage per year over 2021...
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