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Originally Posted by bcrdukes
Soooo that begs the question: What, if anything, is better than Toyota/Lexus for the same amount of money?
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So with Toyota and Honda being trash, all that's left is Mazda and Nissan. Are their engines better or equally just as bad as Honda and Toyota? I forgot about Mitsubishi. I've never owned a different Japanese marque besides Toyota, so I'm genuinely unsure of the competition.
If they are all equally trash, what options are there for you guys? Chinese eBike? Tesla? Some kind of EV? For sure there will be no engine noise, so.....  |
For something better I vote Honda's 4cylinder hybrid system, that's similar to how the Chevy Volt/diesel locomotive works. It's been widely lauded as good and supposed to be more efficient that Toyota's hybrid system.
Toyota's system hasn't seen much innovation other than bigger motors, new battery formulation, and decoupling the rear with e-AWD. The planetary gear system is roughly the same as when it debuted with the Prius almost 30 years ago. It goes to show how innovative Toyota was when the same drive system is still competitive after 30 years. We'll just have to wait for the next big thing from Toyota.
Toyota's win with the Hybrid Synergy Drive is they've been building it for SO LONG with minimal changes that they've ironed almost all the issues. If you want a hybrid system that's reliable and will go 300k, look no further than Toyota.
Mazda's Skyactiv 4 cylinder was novel when it debuted in 2014 as they could easily beat the rated fuel economy. They haven't made much gains since as they've ran into multiple deadends. The Skyactiv D was much more money while not returning any better fuel economy. Skyactiv X kind of just withered away after getting a ton of fanfare. The Skyactiv T 4 cylinders look great on paper, but a lot of the tricks used in the NA engines don't translate to a turbo (high compression, 4-2-1 headers) and they are an also ran. Their new i6 turbos had a lot of promise, but just like Honda's V6T it's getting thoroughly trounced by BMW.
Nissan, why would you touch a Nissan? Their Rogue is decent being that you can get a car that is competent but doesn't excel for a low price.
Mitsubishi has the honours for being the lowest priced PHEV SUV with decent range in the Outlander. The Outlander Sport is 15 years old at this point, and the Mirage is a penalty box.
So uh... wait for the Honda hybrid system to show up in the Integra? It should have better NVH isolation than the Civic.
Or you know go get a 4 cylinder Audi or 6 cylinder BMW.