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Yea that's why I say they are 20 year old cuz they never advanced since 2000, the Honda, Toyota, Nissan V6 were great then, but they never improved it. Toyota added turbos and made it even worse and more unreliable.
Perfect example is Acura tlx 2025 V6 turbo. How does a 3l turbo v6 make 355 HP, when turbo 4 was making that 10 years ago. Gtr 3.8 V6 making 480 HP 15 years ago. Even na 3.7 was like 330 HP already from 10+ years ago.
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