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Originally Posted by bcrdukes
Speaking of the ES, we also test drove an ES at Badhobz's favourite Lexus dealer and needless to say, the ES just wasn't as nice as the Crown. Sure, you can say they are built in the same factory or whatever, but there were nuances that stood out to you when you compare the two, back to back.
Re: Dodge - I've mentioned this before but my wife and I both really enjoyed our Dodge Challenger rental in LA. I don't remember which spec it came in but it was a really nice highway cruiser but it doesn't do well as a sports car. The interior was acceptable and still had it's domestic look and feel, but in no way is it anywhere as bad as they used to be.
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Elaborate on the Crown vs ES? Seems like you've really noticed some details here.
& yeah Challenger is really a W211 E55/63 with better tech/trans but way shittier interior. They're not a sports car but put up ok performance numbers if you get the wide body - everything else is undersprung/tired/braked.
Reliability wise they're Dodge's best product.
20 years of the same engine, 10 year old radio, and 15 year old transmission from ZF.
The real ownership problem is they get stolen in under a minute.