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Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD
A lot of us car enthusiasts also forget about cost. Trying to do all of that and sell the hybrid for 60k instead of 90k also makes things a lot more difficult.
The BMW system is good but we're also seeing they have underspent on BMS - Feels like almost 20% of X5 and X3 packs degrade and require cell replacements in the warranty period.
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I saw that study on pack life. It would seem like BMW expected their target market to not utilize the battery the way a hypermiling freak like me would. On moderate use they have ~80% life at 100k miles. 70% on hard use. I'd say I am part of the hard use group but my mileage is low at only 60k km.
Judging on data from my app, most users are around 60/40 battery/gas, whereas we are consistently >90% battery. But we also only put on roughly 12k/ year (we are 17k km since we bought in June 2024)
The pack is warrantied for 8y/160k, gonna do a battery check at 6-7y to see where we are at. They replace the pack if you are <70% capacity, our in service date is 2021 Oct, so it's been 4 years and judging by reported mileage when fully charged, we are right around the 80% capacity mark.
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Originally Posted by supafamous
Acura is about 10% of Honda's US volume and sells more than double Infiniti's volume but only about 40% what Lexus sells. It's not a super profitable brand but it's still got solid muscles on it.
It's been a long time since Acura was supposed to be an euro competitor - like 20 years ago? It's now just a premium Honda/Japanese brand much the same way that Lexus is no longer competing head to head with the Germans.
It's still a messy brand though - it doesn't move enough volume to print money (like Lexus probably does) so Honda doesn't really invest it in but the RDX/MDX are both good products for their price point but they are not class leading in any way.
Savagegeese had a lot to say about the state of Lexus and a lot of it applies to Acura:
https://youtu.be/WbKgiAdJpDY?si=LQ1ikNUBSR8ONY0v |
Acura also has around less than 1/2 the model footprint of Lexus in NA. Lexus has 7 SUVs, Acura only recently added their 3rd, the ADX, which from the looks of things, isn't selling at all.
Acura is down to 1 sedan, the Integra, whereas Lexus still has 3, though I think it's coming down to 2 starting next year as the LS is being discontinued.
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Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD
Honda is even more rigid than Toyota when it comes to cost, assembly and tooling.
Any of their cars is generally constructed in a way that it could be made in any other plant without much adjustment.
This is how they ended up with:
1) No body on frame
2) No RWD
3) No EV
The upcoming hybrids and ER-EV is probably the biggest change they're making.
Knowing honda they're going to do it all at once across their lineup, along with new interior tech.
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Looking back, that's always how they've been, their drivetrains are lego blocks, everything fits everywhere most of the time. Inb4 they release V6 ER-EV people start swapping them into regular Civics, or them just doing a SH Prelude with it.
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Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD
Literally no one buys Integra, they're 2-3k below MRSP while Civic are generally selling with markup.
Toyota has a lot more resource and flexibility in their manufacturing.
They do RWD, BOF, all shapes and sizes right?
They also have more scale and flexibility in their contracts for parts - how many suppliers are making the GM/Honda dual axis strut?
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How close does the Civic and Integra run in the states given the state of sales?
We need to keep in mind that Toyota is a lot bigger than Honda in terms of volume. Always has been. Honda tech has been a bit of an also-ran since SH-AWD. Nothing they've done so far has been ground breaking like the original CVCC, VTEC, or record breaking like double-wishbone shod economy cars. Their best cars were greater than the sum of it's parts, and that's where the current Civic and CRV hybrids shine.
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Originally Posted by JDMDreams
So a Prius coupe. Isn't a phev Prius still cheaper?
I thought the phev Prius was pretty fast now a days. And you can drive in pure ev. Also they are in the same price bracket.
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Going fast != good to drive, otherwise Teslas would be fucking amazing. I was driving on the other day again, it's quick in a straight line, but otherwise I don't like it.