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LOSE A FEW GAMES OUTRIGHT ALLOWING 5 OR 6 GOALS AFTER A LONG STREAK OF OVERTIME AND SHOOTOUT WINS WITH MARGINAL PLAY.
WORST GOALIE EVER
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Anyway, nobody said he is the "worst goalie ever". Just that he is not a top 5 goalie this season.. I have no problem saying that. But it's all opinion anyway, so who really gives a fuck? All that matters is whether they are winning games with solid play.
Funny how basically every local radio personality says Luongo is this seasons MVP, but somone who watches half the games via sketchy stream must know more Posted via RS Mobile
I know we need to get Lu ready for playoffs but it's a good whole month before playoffs, more than enough time to play schneider (at least for yesterday's game against PHX).
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but the fallacy is: rewarding a big contract =/= coorelate to the players skills / ability for a sustained amount of time
look at gomez, redden, GIROUX. giroux is geting way under paid by comparison (yes it was his first contract or whatever)
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Anyway, nobody said he is the "worst goalie ever". Just that he is not a top 5 goalie this season.. I have no problem saying that. But it's all opinion anyway, so who really gives a fuck? All that matters is whether they are winning games with solid play.
Were we watching the same games? Before between November and February, Lu was lights out. He's only been terrible since March. It wasn't his fault lots of those games went to OT...the Canucks couldn't score. Since November, Lu has only given up 4 goals 3 times (twice to Anaheim). He was playing some of his best hockey midseason but like the entire team, he flopped in March.
You're all nuts if you think Luongo isn't a top-5 goalie. Maybe not statistically this year but I bet if you asked all 30 NHL GMs, they would put him in the top 5.
All you people saying Halak/Elliott are on crack. Of course, these are the same people that say contracts shouldn't be awarded for one good season and forget that Elliott was dumped by Ottawa and then Colorado where he was awful. Is it any coincidence that he became a star when Ken Hitchcock, defensive genius, took over? Halak? If you count OTLs as losses, he was below .500 last year and 27-21-7 isn't much better.
So if Lu isn't a top-5 goalie, then Tim Thomas must not be a top-5 goalie anymore either. The reigning Vezina winner has near identical numbers to Luongo and the Bruins are even worse off than the Canucks right now. They might even miss the playoffs if they slide any further.
If I were to build an NHL team from scratch, I'd have either Henrik Lundqivst or Pekka Rinne, who are probably the best two goalies in the league at the moment but after that, it's a log jam for spots 3-5 between Lu, Thomas, Fleury, Miller, Ward, Howard and Quick.
but the fallacy is: rewarding a big contract =/= coorelate to the players skills / ability for a sustained amount of time
look at gomez, redden, GIROUX. giroux is geting way under paid by comparison (yes it was his first contract or whatever)
Gomez and Redden got their contracts after two or more previous contracts and were productive NHL players for many years at the time of their deals. Yes, both were stupid deals but then again, Glen Sather was that kind of stupid at the time.
Giroux on the other hand, had one year of 76 points. The year before that, he had 47 in 82, which is rather average so $3.75m for 3 years made sense for his second contract coming out of his entry level contract. Not to mention he'll be an RFA after this deal so it was a good one for both sides. The JVR $4m deal for Philly, on the other hand, was retarded.
In comparison, you could take MayRay's current deal that he got after scoring 50 points and got $2.6m (I think?) for 2 except instead of building on his success, Raymond sucked donkey balls and will probably be traded rather than given a raise at the end of this year. Giroux will be a $8.5m player in '14-15 if he continues his PPG pace.
Yes, Giroux is outperforming his contract and Gomez/Redden are overpaid but comparing the two makes no sense to anyone that knows anything about player contracts and how they're done.
^If giroux held out until the end of 10-11, he could have gotten more. Points do not tell the entire story, because you have to look at his ice time. 47 pts for 16 mins is okay, but 76 for 19 min/g is even better, which is what giroux got at the conclusion of 10-11. It's quite clear that he makes his teammates better in the process.
Were we watching the same games? Before between November and February, Lu was lights out. He's only been terrible since March. It wasn't his fault lots of those games went to OT...the Canucks couldn't score. Since November, Lu has only given up 4 goals 3 times (twice to Anaheim). He was playing some of his best hockey midseason but like the entire team, he flopped in March.
You're all nuts if you think Luongo isn't a top-5 goalie. Maybe not statistically this year but I bet if you asked all 30 NHL GMs, they would put him in the top 5.
All you people saying Halak/Elliott are on crack. Of course, these are the same people that say contracts shouldn't be awarded for one good season and forget that Elliott was dumped by Ottawa and then Colorado where he was awful. Is it any coincidence that he became a star when Ken Hitchcock, defensive genius, took over? Halak? If you count OTLs as losses, he was below .500 last year and 27-21-7 isn't much better.
So if Lu isn't a top-5 goalie, then Tim Thomas must not be a top-5 goalie anymore either. The reigning Vezina winner has near identical numbers to Luongo and the Bruins are even worse off than the Canucks right now. They might even miss the playoffs if they slide any further.
If I were to build an NHL team from scratch, I'd have either Henrik Lundqivst or Pekka Rinne, who are probably the best two goalies in the league at the moment but after that, it's a log jam for spots 3-5 between Lu, Thomas, Fleury, Miller, Ward, Howard and Quick.
I would entertain arguments for and against Lu being a top 5 goalie this season. Not much lower than that for sure.
My top 5 in no particular order would be
Elliot
Quick
Lundqvist
Howard
Rinne
If Rask and Schneider played more games, I would definitely include both of them
Luongo I'd put in top 10, maybe. Top 5 definitely not, there were lots of better goalies than Lu this season.
So has anybody been following Justin Schultz? He doesn't seem to be in a hurry to sign on with Anaheim, signs pointing to him wanting to explore free agency this summer.
Could be a Salo replacement if Sami calls it quits this offseason.
Gomez and Redden got their contracts after two or more previous contracts and were productive NHL players for many years at the time of their deals. Yes, both were stupid deals but then again, Glen Sather was that kind of stupid at the time.
Giroux on the other hand, had one year of 76 points. The year before that, he had 47 in 82, which is rather average so $3.75m for 3 years made sense for his second contract coming out of his entry level contract. Not to mention he'll be an RFA after this deal so it was a good one for both sides. The JVR $4m deal for Philly, on the other hand, was retarded.
In comparison, you could take MayRay's current deal that he got after scoring 50 points and got $2.6m (I think?) for 2 except instead of building on his success, Raymond sucked donkey balls and will probably be traded rather than given a raise at the end of this year. Giroux will be a $8.5m player in '14-15 if he continues his PPG pace.
Yes, Giroux is outperforming his contract and Gomez/Redden are overpaid but comparing the two makes no sense to anyone that knows anything about player contracts and how they're done.
lol slow down there
my point it was that contracts rewarded dont solely reflect a players skill
and the giroux vs redden/gomez is a good contrast
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Are we talking about top 5 this season, or top 5 this decade?
The way I think about it is who is the best goalies playing today considering their whole career.
That's why Kari Letonen, Mike Smith and such shouldn't be considered. No one remembers that Smith was basically Schneider (not as good but the best backup at time) in Dallas and was the blue chip that got them Brad Richards. What happened next? Oh right, Smith stunk it up, lost the starting job to Dan Ellis and signed for nothing in Phoenix because he was worthless in the offseason.
He might be top-5 this season but he isn't a top-5 goalie.
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