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lets be serious, no one actually cares about anyone. Left or Right
I legitimately care about the language interpreters/translators for sure. These guys and gals put their lives and family lives on the line to do a service in which they were promised an exit plan.
For sure those people should be helped out.
The others? Not so much.
It bothered me seeing all the people at the airport trying to get on the planes were men. Where are these guy's families? Seems they could give a fuck about anyone but themselves.
Holy Sh*t! 60 Afgans killed, 12 US Troops by attack at airport! I know this withdrawal isn't on Biden ... Trump negotiated it but the sitting Prez always looks bad.
On the Canadian side, it's looking bad on Trudeau as well although Canada is a smaller player.
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^^^^ Canada had units working outside of the airport, going into the city, to help people get to the airport though, unlike the US who only operates within the airport grounds
All countries other than the US pulled out last night because of word that some isis linked group was going to carry out attacks
It's definitely on Biden, wth pulls out so quickly and in the middle of the night, without so much as a word to afghan forces and allies, and then blames the unpaid afghan forces for being demoralised and not putting up a fight (the shady us imposed harvard Prof president stole all the money for himself)
I don’t even think any of us should comment or theorize on this one.
None of us have any accurate knowledge whatsoever of what’s happening over there. All any of us really know is it’s a clusterfuck and probably still will be when we’re all dead.
Holy Sh*t! 60 Afgans killed, 12 US Troops by attack at airport! I know this withdrawal isn't on Biden ... Trump negotiated it but the sitting Prez always looks bad.
Would you blame Trump or Biden for pulling out of Afghanistan though? I certainly wouldn't. From an American POV, it makes no sense to keep deploying troops and fighting a war that has lasted 20 years with no sign of it ever ending. Someone has to pull the plug, and that someone happened to be Trump.
As far as the execution of withdrawing from Afghanistan though, the responsibility to do it right is totally falling on Biden, and unfortunately, he / the military staff under his directions have done it rather poorly and disorderly. So blaming him for the poor execution is entirely sensible.
One question I have in mind is -- the US never backs out from a fight when their own service members are hurt -- or in this case, killed. So I wonder how the US military will retaliate. Do they just bomb the bejesus out of Taliban targets again? are they going to send troops? (that seems unlikely) Are they going to try for pinpoint assassination strikes of some sort?
Seemed like the latter from what we get through media, they mentioned having detailed imagery from multiple planes and helicopters in the area to review and that strikes would be forthcoming once a clear narrative of what transpired had been reached.
So some of you may remember Kevin Newman, he used to be the global national anchor.
He’s since retired and works for a non-profit doing work in war-torn countries. He was on the radio yesterday speaking of Canada’s “attempt” to get people out. He said basically you had to have an internet connection in order to access this secure portal to get your paper work etc. Done. You were then instructed to make your way to the airport
He said he was in contact with Canadians and people who had filed the proper paperwork but they were being turned away at the airport because their papers were not in colour…
He said just over 2000 people had gotten the proper documentation and now Canada is saying barley 1000 people got out. So basically half the people who were eligible did not get out.
He always seemed like a pretty straight forward guy and if he’s working for non-profits I don’t really see him having any reason to lie or make Trudeau etc. Look bad. If what he was saying is true it’s pretty fucking terrible..
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One question I have in mind is -- the US never backs out from a fight when their own service members are hurt -- or in this case, killed. So I wonder how the US military will retaliate. Do they just bomb the bejesus out of Taliban targets again? are they going to send troops? (that seems unlikely) Are they going to try for pinpoint assassination strikes of some sort?
I doubt they'd hit the taliban, word before the attacks n after wasn't putting the blame on them
I think if anything this just validates the need to get the fuck outta dodge as soon as possible.
Imagine if the withdrawal is delayed for another month or two. How many suicide attacks do you think the public would put up with, losing American lives, just to extract Afghani's?
This is why politics sucks, there is no right answer. Had they stayed longer, you run into the risk of more bombing attempts such as this one, which the public will freak out over.
The airport itself is only 5 klicks from the city center, it's pretty tough to secure and control that airport in any safe manner without a surge of troops at this point.
“We will not forgive. We will not forget. We will hunt you down and make you pay”.
We will respond with force and precision at our time, at the place we choose and the moment of our choosing," Biden said. "Here's what you need to know: These ISIS terrorists will not win."
My guess is that US Special Forces are going to lead the mission to find ISIS-K to put a big beatdown on them.
Biden said that the mission is still to help as many Americans to get out of Afghanistan.
With that in mind, perhaps a military team that attacks with great precision and force to kill ISIS-K while ensuring Americans leave the country safely.
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Would you blame Trump or Biden for pulling out of Afghanistan though? I certainly wouldn't. From an American POV, it makes no sense to keep deploying troops and fighting a war that has lasted 20 years with no sign of it ever ending. Someone has to pull the plug, and that someone happened to be Trump.
No ... don't blame US and Allies for getting out at all. Maybe they should have done it a long time ago. But yes, the exit strategy should have been thought out and planned better.
No ... don't blame US and Allies for getting out at all. Maybe they should have done it a long time ago. But yes, the exit strategy should have been thought out and planned better.
The whole invasion was doomed to fail from the get go.
The Afghans know how to beat invading armies. They know they're outgunned and out numbered but they know that they won't be outlasted.
They simply wait for the invading army to leave and retake control. Happened to every single invading force to go into Afghanistan.
Biden authorized drone strikes against ISIS K. Killed 2 members that allegedly planned the suicide bombing that killed at the Kabul airport.
Let the war begin again. But with drones and not boots on ground.
Biden authorized drone strikes against ISIS K. Killed 2 members that allegedly planned the suicide bombing that killed at the Kabul airport.
Let the war begin again. But with drones and not boots on ground.
Drones aren't effective without boots on the ground.
Drones aren't effective without boots on the ground.
I agree, but he is not going to put boots in the ground after he pulls everyone out. He will look more like an idiot. Unless he finds a guinea pig from another nation do do his dirty work.
Biden authorized drone strikes against ISIS K. Killed 2 members that allegedly planned the suicide bombing that killed at the Kabul airport.
Let the war begin again. But with drones and not boots on ground.
The guy who was loading up water for aid work, or was this a different one?
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