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I don't think Russia is going to do anything other than trying to get some more bargain power with NATO.
NATO has made it clear that it's not backing down. Because if Russia can get to influence the decision on NATO's membership, NATO is done. So, the chance of NATO agreeing to bargain on membership is none... not even slim, just plain none for discussion.
And if Russia is crazy enough to do it anyway... TBH, I think we might be looking at a WWIII lite, at least in that region.
But I guess the problem would be if Ukraine becomes part of NATO, Russia would strategically be cut off from Europe. As Denmark, Norway, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia are all NATO members and Belarus and Finland are NATO partners that can become member one day.
A war is definitely gonna happen. Biden or Harris cannot do anything about it. The Ukrainian president had this to say about his country’s army and the Russian date of invasion.
Ukraine keeps saying "please provide valid proof on data of actual plans for attack"
US response "they are most definitely have the possibility of plans of maybe having an attack"
Shitz is getting real ... Poutine is going into 'Independence of Donetsk and Luhansk'.
The first thing I thought of when I learned about the news is how eerily similar it is to Hitler annexing Sudetenland, or how Japan claimed they have lost a soldier in Manchuria.
And then I start wishing we'd still have world leaders that have the guts, resolve, and vision of Churchill and Roosevelt, but instead, all I see are Chamberlain's shadows...
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The first thing I thought of when I learned about the news is how eerily similar it is to Hitler annexing Sudetenland, or how Japan claimed they have lost a soldier in Manchuria.
And then I start wishing we'd still have world leaders that have the guts, resolve, and vision of Churchill and Roosevelt, but instead, all I see are Chamberlain's shadows...
Gulf of Tonkin (us excuse to go into Vietnam)
USS Liberty (Israels failed attempt by sinking a US navy ship to draw more support from the US)
All countries like to set off a fake incident as an excuse to go in /receive help
With Ukraine though, even the UN reported that shelling/attacks with separatists has been going on for years
The US supports independence movements when it suits em, like how they supported Chechens and the Taliban, and its A Okay, but when Russia supports independence movements its bad and the world are cowards for allowing it to happen?
"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion ... of Ukraine, Putin declares it as independent," Trump said in an interview Tuesday on the conservative Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show.
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"So, Putin is now saying, 'It's independent,' a large section of Ukraine. I said, 'How smart is that?' And he's gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That's [the] strongest peace force," Trump said, adding that that was the kind of show of force the United States could use on its Southern border.
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Trump, who has cozied up to Putin in the past, continued: "Had I been in office, not even thinkable. This would never have happened. But here's a guy that says, you know, 'I'm gonna declare a big portion of Ukraine independent,' he used the word 'independent,' 'and we're gonna go out and we're gonna go in and we're gonna help keep peace.' You gotta say that's pretty savvy. And you know what the response was from Biden? There was no response. They didn't have one for that. No, it's very sad."
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It's interesting watching how RT news reports on this, they talk about how Ukraine hasn't upheld its obligations to the Minsk agreement. They show how refugees are rushing into Russia, and how the people in Donetsk etc feel like they can finally have peace now that Russia is saving them lol
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