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RUSSIA - UKRAINE - war or posturing? Definitely war
so what is actually going to happen over there? these 2 have been back and forth for years... are the Russians really going to invade and for what purpose?
U.S. President Joe Biden predicted on Wednesday that Russian President Vladimir Putin will make a move into Ukraine and said Russia would pay dearly for a full-scale invasion, with its businesses possibly losing access to the U.S. dollar.
“My guess is he will move in,” Biden told a news conference. “He has to do something.”
The Kremlin has massed some 100,000 troops near Ukraine’s borders, a buildup that the West says is preparation for a war to prevent Ukraine from ever joining the NATO Western security alliance. Russia denies planning an invasion.
Biden told reporters he believed Putin would test Western leaders and he said that the response to any Russian invasion would depend on the scale of Moscow’s actions and whether U.S. allies squabbled over how to react.
“Russia will be held accountable if it invades - and it depends on what it does. It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion and we end up having to fight about what to do and what to not do, et cetera,” Biden said.
“But if they actually do what they’re capable of doing ... it is going to be a disaster for Russia if they further invade Ukraine,” Biden added.
Biden and his team have prepared a broad set of sanctions and other economic penalties to impose on Russia in the event of an invasion.
Biden, pressed on what he meant by “minor incursion,” said NATO allies are not united on how to respond depending on what exactly Putin does, saying “there are differences” among them and that he was trying to make sure that “everybody’s on the same page.”
“Big nations can’t bluff, number one. Number two, the idea that we would do anything to split NATO ... would be a big mistake. So the question is, if it’s something significantly short of a significant invasion or ... just major military forces coming across. For example, it’s one thing to determine if they continue to use cyber efforts; well, we can respond the same way,” he said.
U.S. officials reject limiting NATO expansion as a non-starter, but Biden suggested there could be a deal under which the West might not station nuclear forces in Ukraine.
She taught me right from wrong and always told me to stay positive and help others no matter how small the deed - that helping others gives us meaning to carry on. The sun is out today and it's a new day. Life is good. I just needed a slap in the face.
I'm from Ukraine, and ever since 2014 when this "war" started, it's all blown out of proportion
My grandparents are still there, nothing has changed in the last 8 years
Yes there's tanks rolling thru some streets, and militia groups protecting certain areas. But overall, it's just clickbait news articles
The major change is the grivna (currency) drop, but I don't know if thats related to the "war"
They also spelled Putin wrong in the article, it's Putler
I watch a couple YouTubers based in Ukraine and that seems to have been the sentiment there. They have even gone to the streets and interviewed people on the situation and most just shrug their shoulders
Then global news runs some interview of a guy who’s “on the front lines” looking like he’s in a different country saying everyone is scared of the next move etc.
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I know a couple guys who just came back from vacation in Ukraine, the atmosphere in the country is completely normal, they didn't even know there was this "impending doom" until they got back here
But that doesn't change the fact that theres issues going on
Average everyday people are going to live their lives like normal, it's always like that. Even during active conflicts, unless their homes are actually being destroyed, people will still work, get groceries, try to find entertainment, etc.
So no matter what is going on at the border, interviewing random people won't tell you anything other than "it's not yet an utter catastrophe"
At this point, I think Russia / Putin is neither planning to go to war nor posturing. Instead, it is gauging the international community -- well, mostly the Western World -- 's reaction to its Ukraine ambitions, and trying to determine what their best next step would be. If they think they can "successfully pull the stunt off", then they will take up more drastic action. If the Western World comes back with an over-the-top threat, they will look for some underhanded way to still spin a propaganda / political victory out of a military stay of action.
IMO, Russia will not be deterred if they only get slapped with sanctions. Sanctions and condemnations have been thrown at Russia for the Crimea annexation, but obviously that did not change the annexation plans one bit.
JTF2, Joint Task Force 2 is Canada’s Special Forces. Although it is a small contingent of our best soldiers, they are in Ukraine now to provide additional support to the Ukraine army.
In fact, our soldiers have been training the Ukrainian army in the art of war since 2020.
-from the article:
The Canadian Special Operations Forces Command) is part of the broader Armed Forces’ efforts to support Ukraine’s Security Forces,” wrote Maj. Amber Bineau, a spokesperson for special operations command, in a statement to Global News.
Bineau noted that Canadian special forces have been providing training, as well as “instructor and leadership expertise,” to Ukrainian counterparts since 2020 — although sources told Global News the latest special forces contingent, which left for Ukraine around Jan. 9, is not conducting training.
The unit has also been tasked with helping to develop evacuation plans for Canadian diplomatic personnel in the event of a full-scale invasion, sources said.
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Just like corporate media and covid, sponsored by Pfizer, or the media war drum for the Iraq war pt. 2, don't take establishment media at face value. Follow the money. Question everything.
Nothing is going to happen. Majority of the European Nato countries need Russian gas. Look at how they're having trouble heating their homes this winter.
Nothing is going to happen. Majority of the European Nato countries need Russian gas. Look at how they're having trouble heating their homes this winter.
I hope that you are right about a war that is not going to happen.
Things can change really quickly with geopolitical threats these days.
Several European nations have now moved to bolster Nato's military deployment in eastern Europe. Spain is sending warships to join Nato naval forces in the Mediterranean and the Black Sea, and Denmark also said it would send a frigate to the Baltic Sea.
French President Emmanuel Macron has offered to send troops to Romania.
Earlier this week, Britain announced it was supplying Ukraine with extra troops for training and defensive weapons.
JTF2, Joint Task Force 2 is Canada’s Special Forces. Although it is a small contingent of our best soldiers, they are in Ukraine now to provide additional support to the Ukraine army.
In fact, our soldiers have been training the Ukrainian army in the art of war since 2020.
-from the article:
The Canadian Special Operations Forces Command) is part of the broader Armed Forces’ efforts to support Ukraine’s Security Forces,” wrote Maj. Amber Bineau, a spokesperson for special operations command, in a statement to Global News.
Bineau noted that Canadian special forces have been providing training, as well as “instructor and leadership expertise,” to Ukrainian counterparts since 2020 — although sources told Global News the latest special forces contingent, which left for Ukraine around Jan. 9, is not conducting training.
The unit has also been tasked with helping to develop evacuation plans for Canadian diplomatic personnel in the event of a full-scale invasion, sources said.
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Small correction, but it is CSOR units that are deployed to Ukraine not JTF2.
While I do hope nothing happens, just to give some perspective, nobody thought the North Koreans would actually invade South Korea in 1950, until they did.
Obviously different political/geographical scenarios, but there are similarities with local people ignoring a lot of signs shrugging it off.
Also interesting, Seoul is separated by a river much like Vancouver and the Fraser River. The first president of Korea was retreating south of the river, and he blew up the only bridge (with refugees still on it trying to flee) essentially stranding everyone who was not able to cross the river including civilians and soldiers.
Ukraine's leaders sought to reassure the nation that a feared invasion from neighbouring Russia was not imminent, even as they acknowledged the threat is real and prepared to accept a shipment of American military equipment Tuesday to shore up the country's defences.
Russia has denied it is planning an assault, but it has massed an estimated 100,000 troops near Ukraine in recent weeks, leading the United States and its NATO allies to rush to prepare for a possible war.
Several rounds of high stakes diplomacy have failed to yield any breakthroughs, and this week tensions escalated further. NATO said it was bolstering its deterrence in the Baltic Sea region, and the U.S. ordered 8,500 troops on higher alert to potentially deploy to Europe as part of an alliance "response force" if necessary.
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