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love the looks and packaging, as well as the interior design/set up. its kinda what every car guy in 2023 would be happy with especially the price point...
but its the typical british/lotus issue that worries me, but its enough to draw people into the showroom, me included.
Heard theres 150+ on the waitlist right now. 80% + are going with the v6 so far
I don't think it is that bad? You are politely told to GTFO if you want to order any of the GT cars, but if you are only planning to get their regular cars, I think they would still gladly take your deposit money. It's just that it is going to be a 12 - 24 month wait for the Boxster / Cayman / 911, and there may or may not be allocations for the base model.
I was politely told that there was no point in me putting a deposit down for a lower trim 718 or a base 911 (even a S was a stretch) and that if I even want a slim shot that I had to load up a 718 GTS with a lot of options because I have no prior relationship nor a trade. I didn't have to actually buy all the options if I were picked but there was no chance for me if I tried to order a stripper GTS.
I assume if you had a prior relationship or a trade then a lower trim might be possible on a 911 but probably not a 718 unless you are a superstar customer.
I'm priced at $539/Day x 3 Days = $1,617 a weekend x 12 weeks? = $19,404 for 12 weekend a year, seems cheaper to buy new. I don't think a 2023 911 will drop $100K in depreciation + warranty over 5 years. I think the rental program prohibits you from track days, but that only matters if you crash or get hit by a 3rd party lol.
Overall, the math still adds up to me that it's a lower cost of ownership if you can get an allocation to a non-generic sports car. The sports car market is fucked lol
yeh it is.
So i was doing this math = 911 x 7 days a month (469x7) = $3,283
at its most expensive. I might not want to drive a 911 for more than 7 days a month and might want to swap it to a 718 next month or whatever. The freedom of choice is good.
7 days out of 31 is good enough for somebody like me. Id take that 7 days as a vacation and just go drive the piss out of it to banff, or california.
Flip the coin and do a lease on a 911. youre looking at 0 down and over 2500 a month but you gotta fork that money out even in nov, dec, jan, feb, and all the shit months that you dont really drive it. The months that you do drive it, you would probably try to maximize your experience but on the other hand, you want to preserve the car since its your own car and you wont drive it balls to the wall. So it makes sense for a dude like me who just takes it out on weekends for ha ha's, it might not make a lot of sense if you want to daily a 150k car.
I was politely told that there was no point in me putting a deposit down for a lower trim 718 or a base 911 (even a S was a stretch) and that if I even want a slim shot that I had to load up a 718 GTS with a lot of options because I have no prior relationship nor a trade. I didn't have to actually buy all the options if I were picked but there was no chance for me if I tried to order a stripper GTS.
I assume if you had a prior relationship or a trade then a lower trim might be possible on a 911 but probably not a 718 unless you are a superstar customer.
Ive said this before on other threads, but i dont know why you guys bother with our dealer network. Buying straight from Germany isnt that difficult and they dont play these stupid ass games. You want a 911? you pay the money, you wait in line and you get it.
I'd love to get an Emira. I'm happy with the Exige but it's hardcore enough that I know one day I'll just want something a little softer.
My Lotus is easy enough to work on. I'm no mechanic but even I can change things like injector rings, and wire in electrics (like those stupid side markers I had to add). Fluid changes are easy, and once you know how to get all the various access panels off it's really not hard to get to places.
The exchange rate from the UK to NA is very good right now historically speaking. I don't see why Lotus would pull out.
The Lotus dealer in Vancouver has insane prices though. No way I'd buy parts from them... or used cars. At least the engine parts are in stock at my local Toyota dealer.
They've been running the Toyota V6 for years now. I don't expect people will have any issues at with them.
Ive said this before on other threads, but i dont know why you guys bother with our dealer network. Buying straight from Germany isnt that difficult and they dont play these stupid ass games. You want a 911? you pay the money, you wait in line and you get it.
Ive said this before on other threads, but i dont know why you guys bother with our dealer network. Buying straight from Germany isnt that difficult and they dont play these stupid ass games. You want a 911? you pay the money, you wait in line and you get it.
I'm not sure Canadian customs will let you import a gray market vehicle that's less than 15 years old.
its the same as European delivery. Its not a gray market import. You do pay the taxes when it arrives, but youre just importing your own property.
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What about euro delivery? Could you order any 911 / Boxster / Cayman pretty quickly with that?
That i dont know, i believe that has to be initiated with the dealer in Germany or here.
So this whole thing started when i was in germany and i went to check out cars. I ended up just renting since work covers it, but i thought about buying and then bringing something fun back home (Golf R wagon). I talked to the dealers and it's easy enough to do, you just do the importation paperwork. But when it arrives in canada, you need to make it road legal like any other car. eruhh not make it road legal, it has to be built to be road legal in canada (so request a Canadian spec car from the factory but take delivery in Germany.. ie european delivery).
"Determine if the vehicle you plan to bring from Germany into Canada bears a statement of compliance label from the original manufacturer proving that the car is designed, tested and certified to meet the Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standards or the United States Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. Such cars can usually be found in areas where Canadian or American Forces are stationed in Germany. If you purchased a used car equipped with such a label and the car was built in the same calender year you are planning to ship it from Germany to Canada, you may import the vehicle into Canada and circumvent the 15-year-age rule. The same applies for vehicles with such a label if you received it as a gift from a friend or relative no later than one year after manufacture. You may then bring the vehicle from Germany into Canada, if you can prove by way of a certified document signed by both parties that the vehicle was indeed given to the owner as a gift."
I remember looking at importing an Elise years back, I don't recall the reason, but it simply was not possible unless it was 15 years+. At the time, most of them were gen 1, and I was looking for a gen 2, but that would make them all newer than 15 years.
The lotus forum said the same thing, their quote was "you gotta pay to play"
Dealerships would not be happy if the average joe can buy a newer Honda civic for cheaper from another country
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i think its do-able. At least all signs point to yes in ze Deutschland.. if you can get their dealerships to arrange with the factory for a Canadian spec car built and delivered in Germany.
I will investigate some more with the PORSCHAAAHHHH dealers next time im back there (sometime Q1-Q2 this year). If this works, i might start a business doing it, and then ill be assassinated by Dilwari and Openroad group for stealing their racket.
The problem is you still gotta get in line. Ordering one in Germany doesn't mean you'll necessarily get it faster, you just don't have to buy a buttfuck macan and a stupid cayenne before they even let you see the GT order list.
If you're coming from Europe it has to be 15 years old, unless it's brand new made for the Canadian market and part of a factory delivery program. You can't just buy a car off a lot, or privately and import it.
Otherwise, I believe if you're immigrating to Canada you can do a one time import (at least this was the case 12 years ago).
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I remember looking at importing an Elise years back, I don't recall the reason, but it simply was not possible unless it was 15 years+. At the time, most of them were gen 1, and I was looking for a gen 2, but that would make them all newer than 15 years.
The lotus forum said the same thing, their quote was "you gotta pay to play"
Dealerships would not be happy if the average joe can buy a newer Honda civic for cheaper from another country
preventing a gray market is literally why we have the 15 year import rule (25 in the US)
Love the look of the Emira.
Harry Metcalfe is loving his. There have been several videos leading up to, and receiving his new car. Then he immediately takes it through europe to learn what it's like to live with. I love this stuff - no press car BS, his own true ownership experience.
its the same as European delivery. Its not a gray market import. You do pay the taxes when it arrives, but youre just importing your own property.
Here's where I don't understand. I doubt a German dealer can sell you a CADM spec vehicle. There's contracts in place with localized dealers that prevent that.
If it's not CADM then you can't import it as Canada customs won't let you bring it in and register it. A non CADM vehicle being imported to Canada would be gray market. That has to be 15+ years old.
It is different from European Delivery because with ED you order the car here and it's CADM spec, they just have contracts in place for you to take delivery in Europe and they have rules in place to allow you to drive it in Europe. Any European Delivery car MUST leave Europe within 6 months. It's why you get a red plate instead of the regular blue one.
I did ED on my M3, it's no different from any other Canadian vehicle, and actually they have hacks in place to make the nav work over there. There are rules they make clear on delivery of the car at the Welt.
I’m talking out of my ass as I’ve never driven, nor sat in any super car. But the overwhelming opinion is it’s slow? How much power do you need? It’s still 400ho in a light chassis with a Lotus driving experience??? Seems like plenty to me! But I’ve never been a magazine racer. Lol
^ That's the thing, you are after the driving dynamics. And hopefully normal gearing that the first gear doesnt get you to like 80kph (looking at your Porsche)....
Like I mentioned in the other thread, old enough now that I am not all about that speed anymore... 400hp is plenty to have fun with
But yes... 150kish out the door for speed wise
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150k buys some nutty machines with a ton of power, so yes magazine racing at it's best.
150k will buy you a M3/4/5, C/E63, RS6 which are all sub 4 second cars and can hang with the best of them because of just clubbing physics to a pulp with turbos and giant tires.
But 400hp in a 3000lb chassis is also quite amazing in considering that, my 444hp in a 3600lb chassis feels way more than fast enough, and my 285 wide tires aren't big enough to put the power down. The person that buys the Emira isn't going to be the same person that buys a Huracan(also not in the same price bracket anyways).
This is more like a big Lotus where there aren't a whole lot of contemporaries. The closest you can get is probably the Cayman GTS on the high end, and the Alpine 110 on the low end.
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