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Old 11-03-2024, 02:55 AM   #126
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To wrap up this topic (should've started a thread lul), I just had a heart to heart with my mom. She echo'd that I was at my happiest when I was running several businesses at once. I wasn't really considering accounting jobs and therefore getting a CPA, but Gerbs showed me that a CPA isn't just full-cycle accounting, as there are many pathways.

I also had a brief chat with my boss on Friday and gave him a heads up that I'll need to leave soon. I need more pay and I know he can't give that to me - we had just wrapped up year end. I feel so much better having that convo, I think I was so scared of the convo it added to my stress all year.

I find it crazy that so much change has happened in the last week, but it only started because of all of your advice/vented here.

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- Finish projects to free up energy for resume and to get immediate cash, in conjunction with doing a few entrepreneurial things.
- Get a new job that pays for tuition, dental and health benefits
- Finish my BBA, get CPA or SCMP certification, depending on what I think I will want to do long term as I still need employment income for mortgage purposes

Let's see what I get done by Nov 2025. I'll update then, if interested.

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Unless you like schooling or you think this is the only way of accomplishing your goals, I wouldn’t focus on getting a cpa / other accounting designations. It sounds like you hate accounting anyways.

What’s the point of doing accounting if you’re going to be even more miserable
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High paying and I only hate the tax side and full cycle side of accounting.

Plus mom and I will be able to bill at CPA rates instead of bookkeeper that knows tax and has experience rates.

The other designation mentioned is for supply chain, which I do enjoy, but I don't have formal education or YEARS OF EXPERIENCE in (10 in acct - 4 in supply chain)!

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CPA is oversaturated with internal conflicts - Ontario just left and created their own.
Get SCMP/PMP and get badhobz to hire you… then replace him for the power move lmao
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To wrap up this topic (should've started a thread lul), I just had a heart to heart with my mom. She echo'd that I was at my happiest when I was running several businesses at once. I wasn't really considering accounting jobs and therefore getting a CPA, but Gerbs showed me that a CPA isn't just full-cycle accounting, as there are many pathways.

I also had a brief chat with my boss on Friday and gave him a heads up that I'll need to leave soon. I need more pay and I know he can't give that to me - we had just wrapped up year end. I feel so much better having that convo, I think I was so scared of the convo it added to my stress all year.

I find it crazy that so much change has happened in the last week, but it only started because of all of your advice/vented here.

Gameplan:
- Finish projects to free up energy for resume and to get immediate cash, in conjunction with doing a few entrepreneurial things.
- Get a new job that pays for tuition, dental and health benefits
- Finish my BBA, get CPA or SCMP certification, depending on what I think I will want to do long term as I still need employment income for mortgage purposes

Let's see what I get done by Nov 2025. I'll update then, if interested.

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You know, as a parent, I wouldn't blink at buying my kid a Ferrari if it meant a guarantee they'd study hard enough / stay off drugs long enough to get into post-secondary. I'd reverse-mortgage my house, downsize, and/or delay my retirement if I had to. That's an easy sacrifice.

The reason I wouldn't, is because it would really fuck up their lives.
  1. What the hell could you even aspire to if you'd already had the best? What's the point anymore? There's just nothing to work towards. It's like starting an RPG at Lvl 99. It's fun for all of 15 minutes and then it's like "what are we doing here?".
  2. What's after the Ferrari? That's the end game. It's all downhill from there. How could you derive ay happiness from driving any other car after owning something like that?
  3. Makes them weak. If we've learned anything from Dragonball Z, it's that you only get stronger by getting your ass kicked through hardship.
My cousin is in that dilemma, his parents were working in another city due to their business. He got offered any car if he can make it to uni.

He signed up for flying school which required no pre-reqs. Got a $150K E63s and a detached house to live in. He doesn't have much aspiration for anything because even his salary at air canada for the first couple of years can't buy a better life than he already has.

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Those office jobs are hard to get nowadays and not necessarily financially rewarding. Like if you look at the amount of work those cpa’s do, their per hour drops to a minuscule amount. Work vs effort.
While I agree the majority of CPA's suck. Within the 5-7 CPA's I talk to weekly, we're all 1 day office or full remote, free time for hobbies, averaging < 20 hours a week, and make > 5-10% median salary for working the little hours that we do. The beginning was $40K/year and you're on your knees playing politics. Took about 5-8 years to get to a good position for all of us. The real bread and butter is having a low stress and non time consuming job that allows the freedom to pursue fun side hustles to generate income to sustain expensive hobbies.+

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Saw this bit and I am gonna say -- health benefits from work are a nice-to-have, but a bare bones safety net plan is sufficiently affordable to purchase on your own. IMO basic dental coverage that you can buy on your own, however, offers a fairly poor value for your money. So make sure you brush your teeth and floss on a daily basis bcos dental work is seriously $$$$$.

Also bear in mind that a lot of married couple get their extended health benefits off their spouse's work plan. A lot of couples I know have 1 partner working a steady, secure job with health coverage, while the other works a higher paying job with few other benefits.
Dental benefits are worth MAYBE $500-1,500 annually, just get paid more and pay the $100/month yourself. Health benefits should not be valued that much.
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Gameplan:
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- Get a new job that pays for tuition, dental and health benefits
- Finish my BBA, get CPA or SCMP certification, depending on what I think I will want to do long term as I still need employment income for mortgage purposes
Saw this bit and I am gonna say -- health benefits from work are a nice-to-have, but a bare bones safety net plan is sufficiently affordable to purchase on your own. IMO basic dental coverage that you can buy on your own, however, offers a fairly poor value for your money. So make sure you brush your teeth and floss on a daily basis bcos dental work is seriously $$$$$.

Also bear in mind that a lot of married couple get their extended health benefits off their spouse's work plan. A lot of couples I know have 1 partner working a steady, secure job with health coverage, while the other works a higher paying job with few other benefits.
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I finally caught up with the last few pages and I know there are solid actionable that are being set forward.

Holy fuck, Bobbinka has the post of the year!

I was just about to call out the delusion,
- Income $60K Gross
- $90 in Bank
- $2.5-3K/mo+ House payments? idk, guessing
- Missed car payment
- LOC @ 8%
- High KM CTR could be underwater on a $40K+ Loan?
- Cash flow is pay cheque to pay cheque and underwater

You're not in a position to be spending
- $200-300 on vape/weed
- Not looking at price when eating out and eating out most meals
- Spending $3-5K on track, $1.2K sim memby is the solution in the interim
- $300-400/month on gas
- $40K over 4 years on hobby related car maintenance/upgrades not including purchase


Not to be offensive, but I don't agree with others saying you're doing well for your age, that your way ahead and you shouldn't stress. It feels like you gave yourself 100% of the dopamine from owning a home, while contributing only 33% of the mortgage and < 5% down?

I don't know if this is true but not being able to manage a $600K mortgage payments with 4 incomes on a big SFH purchase is a bit odd. It seems to me that you never built the strong financial literacy from having to save the $200-600K+ for a SFH down payment. I can't see how you could live half the lifestyle above and save for any meaningful down payment. If that's true, it appears that the equity gained from inheriting a % ownership in the family home made you feel like you're in a better financial position than you're currently in. Which is only applicable if you have the ability and control to downsize and withdraw equity, which is impossible with 4 owner opinions.

There's a time to enjoy life in your 20's, not worry about spending and living a little, but this ain't it. This is a lifestyle of someone who's making on the lowest end $120-150K+ for 3+ years, has emergency funds and investments in check or someone who makes $80K+ and has 0 expenses living at home. The lifestyle inflations needs to be compromised asap and should be enjoyed after you increase your income via the actionable.

This should be a HUGEEEEEEEEE wakeup call for positive change, which you're actively seeking! You're spending money you don't have, on non-essentials you shouldn't have at this point in time.

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100% in agreement with the "not doing well for my age thing". I feel like it devalues your experience, where you did have to grind for your first place.

This is precisely why I don't celebrate my own achievements, BC what achievements.

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@RabidRat my pm box is full but

Oooh, if you could do that, that would be great. I didn't know it was that easy and it's what 4 pages of it? I didn't want to bother an admin with it.

This title sounds good too. I feel bad about it continuing to clog up the no need to start a thread thread.

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We are all happy to help a brother out. I don’t think anyone here feels inconvenienced by your posts

Keep your chin up bro. This is some bitter medicine, but the uncles of RS are always there to bust your balls and give your emotional damage la..

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Stupid home wrecking whores !!! The only one for me is spy ballooooon. She’s the best sassy little cunt in the world. Plus I’m genuinely scared of her voodoo witch powers. She seems to be able curse me if I don’t listen to her tiny 5 foot nothing ass.
if things don't work out for me, i'm counting on you to send some rich hoes my way lol.
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Okay but it comes with a whole bunch of yarrr yarrrr ni haoooorrr marrrr !!! Kinda shit. If you can’t stand that crap then I gotta dig through my bag of Guangdong muis and they are broke as shit nowadays

And given the vintage a lot of them are pre menopausal and cunty as fuck. High mileage, neglected maintenance, multiple owners and lots of dings on the body
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You a straight savage, not the high mileage, multi-owners.
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@RabidRat my pm box is full but

Oooh, if you could do that, that would be great. I didn't know it was that easy and it's what 4 pages of it? I didn't want to bother an admin with it.

This title sounds good too. I feel bad about it continuing to clog up the no need to start a thread thread.

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Thread forked. No worries man, I'm happy to do it!

The discussion deserves its own corner of RS for sure. There's such an epic level of perspective coming from all around : I'm sure I'm not the only one learning a lot from everyone else.
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Okay but it comes with a whole bunch of yarrr yarrrr ni haoooorrr marrrr !!! Kinda shit. If you can’t stand that crap then I gotta dig through my bag of Guangdong muis and they are broke as shit nowadays

And given the vintage a lot of them are pre menopausal and cunty as fuck. High mileage, neglected maintenance, multiple owners and lots of dings on the body
not gonna lie, mandarin is usually a boner killer for me but if it means i can be a rich house husband and just cook/clean i might be down
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I just stumbled on this thread, I feel like I'm in a similar situation but I guess everyone else my age is in the same boat straddled with mtg. At least we're not renting.

Just a few suggestions. Can you rent anything out? Air BNB $1000 a month will help out greatly. Rent out the garage? Cough as a garage or convert it into something? When does your mtg heloc mature? $600k split between 3 incomes isn't the worse. You have no strata. You can definitely look for better rates, switch lenders to get cash back, lower rates. Go on variable, rates will continue to drop. I think paying less into the heloc isn't the worse case, just restretch the amortization. As land value appreciation should cover that. That's the whole point of a heloc vs mtg, you have more flexibility than just making fixed payments. I think the Asian mentality of not owing money really hurts people. Yes you have a $2m house paid off. But no savings in the bank when you retire and can't pay property tax. Do you have any savings left? I think putting a few hundred a month to start on something like wealth simple into like a S&p etf to build some savings is a good thing rather than spending every dollar on payments to pay off quicker. Or some high yield stock dividend funds to pay monthly dividends to build cash flow a long with drip to auto build your portfolio.

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I feel your frustration. Please keep in mind though that perfection is the enemy of good. Imo you're going to have to lower your standards to take your first shot, and let it be a series of smaller steps rather than one huge perfect one.

If you put too much of your energy and hope into one or two major shots, it's going to leave you exhausted and unwilling to make those [perhaps many more] next attempts.

I'm doing ok in my career now, but it came out of 5 straight months of:
200 job applications -> trickling into 20 phone interviews -> trickling into 8 on-site interviews -> resulting in 3 job offers. That was 200 separate applications.

My resume started out super shitty but I just kept refining it as a continued applying and interviewing. It's a long process of iteration and the crucial step is to build the momentum. The other critical steps I bet you know more about than I do - being you were an entrepreneur - learning as you go, and getting back up more determined than ever to keep going, after a door shuts in your face. There are more doors, you have to keep going for them.

You are really motivating and inspiring me with your journey. I genuinely wish you the best in this.
Thank you. I appreciate the sentiment. I keep hearing about how hard it is to find a job, but I assumed it was for people that doesn't have a ton of experience. However, I'm assuming you have quite a bit and was still running into this scenario.
Yeah at that point, I'd worked at Blackberry and then Cisco for a couple of years, designing high-speed digital logic boards.

It was wildly unpredictable whether I'd even hear anything back for positions that I was kind of overqualified for, vs surprisingly getting immediate calls back for positions that I was very underqualified for. The Microsoft Xbox hardware team comes to mind: the engineering manager called me directly and said he was straight up skipping HR because he needed someone and they're too damn slow... and can he just phone screen me right now, and could I manage to fly out in the next couple days? (I got an offer out of that one!)

Also, having been on the other side of it for the last 9 years, it really is completely random and unpredictable what's happening behind the scenes. HR randomly sends us resumes that are hardly related to the position we're hiring for but neglects tons of other really good ones; budgets / headcounts open up and get taken away / transferred unexpectedly; sometimes a horde of very qualified candidates show up and we have to reject a lot of really strong candidates because we only had the one opening; or there are no decent candidates but we're just freaking desperate to get some help so we take a chance hiring somebody we'd normally never even spend the time to interview. It's really crazy. And it's not a startup / small company thing either: I worked at [still work for] one of the biggest tech companies in Silicon Valley. Hiring processes are bananas.

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Yep I think it's both. Unrealized upsides, also feel like loss. Especially if you've internalized how it would feel to succeed. Humans struggle to let go of things that they feel they either deserve or already have. Apparently!

Source: "Thinking Fast and Slow" by Daniel Kahneman. He won a Nobel prize for Prospect Theory, which this Loss Aversion plays into. It's a hell of a book all about human behavior (behavioral economics, specifically). I'm half way through listening to the audiobook right now. I've been liking it so much that I bought copies for my parents in Chinese lol.
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To add to my post, please get your parents out of gics, rates are dropping, have you looked at any after hour gigs, type r should be new enough to Uber, food delivery? I know the cash rate for house cleaning starts at $20 an hour cash. Just saying. Maybe 3 hours a day on the weekend or after work. That's extra $120 income a week x4 =$480 month. That's a car payment right there.
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I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but even if you were to start having an income of 150k+, you'd probably be in even more debt that you are in now.

Well, at least not unless you make major changes in the way you approach making financial decisions.

People who keep talking about waiting for more money to come in most likely means that they have already spent it before they've ve actual made that much, and that happens at any income level. It just means spending even more money they don't have the more money they make.
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Yes, more money = more debt. You will just have a bigger mtg, and Integra type s instead of type r. My goal is to be financially independent from my job so I don't need money from my job to survive.
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Old 11-03-2024, 08:34 PM   #148
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I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but even if you were to start having an income of 150k+, you'd probably be in even more debt that you are in now.

Well, at least not unless you make major changes in the way you approach making financial decisions.

People who keep talking about waiting for more money to come in most likely means that they have already spent it before they've ve actual made that much, and that happens at any income level. It just means spending even more money they don't have the more money they make.
Ya uh.. I don't know if I posted it here.. but I told Gerbs. There's like 80K lost on risky investments. 30K for my investment and 50K for my mom's investment. Apparently greedy + desperation does not mix well.

100% financial literacy needs work. Which is ironic because by trade I'm in accounting lol
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You only lose if you sell yea that's why I say S&p that should be more than enough returns for the average boomer.
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Old 11-03-2024, 08:56 PM   #150
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Yeah but it’s these risks that pays off and you’re set for life or you’re doomed.

I took my student loan money and gambled it on GM stock (pre bail out when they were down to like less than 2 bucks a share) It was enough to pay for my house and my Maserati. Otherwise I’d be in the same position as you BiC.

I knew the government wouldn’t let such a huge automaker fail. It was an insane gamble for a university history / philosophy student riddled with debt.
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