Electric and Hybrid Car Thread

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

I thought Mazda was doing ok, with all their cx SUVs , their upscale interiors and going turbo AWD.

In both Canada and US, CX5 sales down since 2020/21.
Turbo introduced in 2019 with no sales increase/impact to the lineup.
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/mazda-cx-5-sales-figures/

Of my tech worker friends, 1 bought a CX5 Turbo AWD and the other 20 that I helped shop said hybrid or bust and ended up with a RAV4 HEV/Model Y.
I know 5 guys who shipped a RAV4 Prime from the east coast and didn't even consider CX5.

[RabidRat]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

If I were Mazda product planning (got offered a job for Nissan product planning), I would....
1) pull a Volvo and gas mild hybrid EVERY car for marketing purpose and add 360 cam in lower model
2) Prominent product placement with Bose in each tier 2 location's business district with outdoor gear in the trunk.
3) Now that they use TFS, offer discounted franchise fees for Toyota dealer owners (Mazda dealer network is SO thin)

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/mazda-us-sales-figures/
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/mazda-...sales-figures/

Are you this guy?!

https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/rel...rco-fioravanti

Also what's the scoop on Carlos Ghosn, is he revered as a hero and a martyr internally?

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by RabidRat

Are you this guy?!

https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/rel...rco-fioravanti

Also what's the scoop on Carlos Ghosn, is he revered as a hero and a martyr internally?

brb changing my profile pic

[bcrdukes]

How are these techies okay waiting for a RAv4, let alone a hybrid? Aren't the waitlists like 12+ months out?

[TypeRNammer]

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7063216

Kia Canada purposely holding vehicles on purpose, makes me wonder if Toyota is doing the same thing also

[Dbone]

That is so dumb. If you're setting up KPIs that push that kind of bad behavior then you have a serious issue on your hands.

I remember seeing some crazy stuff at an aerospace company I worked for in the UK where they'd spend days cannibalizing landing gear assemblies and life support systems just to ship some units a day earlier all because it would help with those quarter's number. That was short sighted, but it at least made the sales numbers look better!

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by TypeRNammer

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7063216

Kia Canada purposely holding vehicles on purpose, makes me wonder if Toyota is doing the same thing also

inb4 they're also trying to keep dealers from hitting sales bonuses

[sonick]

Originally Posted by TypeRNammer

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7063216

Kia Canada purposely holding vehicles on purpose, makes me wonder if Toyota is doing the same thing also

dark must be pissed

[68style]

he works at Hyundai not Kia haha

[radeonboy]

Originally Posted by Dbone

That is so dumb. If you're setting up KPIs that push that kind of bad behavior then you have a serious issue on your hands.

I remember seeing some crazy stuff at an aerospace company I worked for in the UK where they'd spend days cannibalizing landing gear assemblies and life support systems just to ship some units a day earlier all because it would help with those quarter's number. That was short sighted, but it at least made the sales numbers look better!

Shifting sales like that is pretty common at the dealership level if their monthly targets are met. Dealerships want to beat their targets, but not too much because it establishes a new expectation from the OEM to beat which may not be attainable.

Holding inventory at the regional level to control expectations for global HQ is a new one though. The market isn't exactly hot right now so hanging onto inventory when buyers are out there waiting to complete the sale helps no one but the regional manager's performance.

Going back on topic, this looks pretty sick:

Toyota Launches All-New Crown Sport-type PHEV model in Japan

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/40218510.html

[JDMDreams]

What's the difference with this?

https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/regi...signia-updates

[bcrdukes]

Shut up and take my money!

[68style]

At least it looks decent, kinda Macan like

[RabidRat]

Originally Posted by radeonboy

Going back on topic, this looks pretty sick:


https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/40218510.html

WOW. There are 4 flavors of Crowns and they picked the lifted sedan and frumpy SUV over THIS version to bring to NA?!

More info:

Originally Posted by https://www.motor1.com/news/701393/toyota-crown-sport-phev-details/

We only get two of the four Crown models here in the United States – the raised sedan and the upcoming Signia SUV. In Japan, there's also a traditional sedan without the lift kit, and this smaller crossover, the Crown Sport. That model is now getting a charging port and a more potent powertrain, but still won't be coming to the U.S.

Smaller than the Crown Signia, the JDM-spec Crown Sport looks like Japan's Ferrari Purosangue, especially in red paint. Sadly, it doesn't have a V12, but it's still pretty powerful by Toyota standards. With a 2.5-liter gasoline engine and an electric motor, it has a combined output of 302 horsepower delivered to all four wheels.

More highlights from the article:

Originally Posted by https://www.motor1.com/news/701393/toyota-crown-sport-phev-details/

Since this is a plug-in hybrid, lithium-ion battery with enough juice for a pure electric range of 56 miles (90 kilometers).

...

the vehicle will be able to cover more than 746 miles (1,200 kilometers).

...

adaptive suspension with modified shock absorbers.

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bidirectional charging as the 1,500W (AC 100V) external power supply function might come in handy in an emergency.

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The Crown Sport PHEV costs 7,650,000 yen (about $52,900) and Toyota expects to move about 300 units each month.

[RabidRat]

Originally Posted by RabidRat

More highlights from the article:

Squinting at that packaging layout, it looks like they're starting to put the battery pack under the floor. Finally they've taken their heads out of their asses and stopped sticking batteries in the trunk where it takes away from cargo space.

Man, what a great car. To 68style's point, it's would've been a serious contender to the Macan.

[68style]

I mean, I don't think it's a serious contender vs the Macan for any reason save aesthetics, but it does have that similar visual appeal.

It's got some passion in it... the Crown we have here looks like an obese middle aged woman that complains to airlines that their seats are too small.

[underscore]

What's the difference between that and a CH-R?

[68style]

Nada, it's just not pretending it doesn't have back doors

[JDMDreams]

I wonder why they don't design it as a rex like the volt. Like no longer connect the motor to the wheels. We have big enough batteries and strong enough EV motors. Just a tiny motor to charge, rather than the whole ice drive train in there. Wouldn't that make a lot more usable space.

[TypeRNammer]

Originally Posted by radeonboy

Shifting sales like that is pretty common at the dealership level if their monthly targets are met. Dealerships want to beat their targets, but not too much because it establishes a new expectation from the OEM to beat which may not be attainable.

Holding inventory at the regional level to control expectations for global HQ is a new one though. The market isn't exactly hot right now so hanging onto inventory when buyers are out there waiting to complete the sale helps no one but the regional manager's performance.

Going back on topic, this looks pretty sick:


https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/40218510.html

Damn that looks fire 🔥

I would trade my Model 3 in a heart beat

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by TypeRNammer

Damn that looks fire 🔥

I would trade my Model 3 in a heart beat

QFT

[Dbone]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

I wonder why they don't design it as a rex like the volt. Like no longer connect the motor to the wheels. We have big enough batteries and strong enough EV motors. Just a tiny motor to charge, rather than the whole ice drive train in there. Wouldn't that make a lot more usable space.

Less fuel efficient.

[JDMDreams]

Yea but the bigger battery should provide more EV range to bring up mpg

[supafamous]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...e-911-preview/

We can talk about 911s in here now.

The revised Porsche 911, out early next summer as a 2025 model, will boast restyled front and rear ends, an updated cockpit, and a few detail changes including 48-volt hybrid systems for the engine lineup. But in terms of headline breakthrough material for this 992.2 model, nothing beats the new T-HEV hybrid system coming a bit later which will move the iconic sports car a big step closer towards electrification. While Porsche has not confirmed any details on the hybrid yet, two dealers we spoke to independently acknowledged the project's existence, but claimed that deliveries would not begin before calendar-year 2025.

[AstulzerRZD]

I was pretty excited about Chevy Blazer - seemed like stylish alternative to Model Y but initial quality seems incredibly troublesome.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/202...rm-faults.html
https://jalopnik.com/broken-chevrole...ded-1851112788