PSA: VPD Handing Out VIs Like Candy

[Traum]

Just for my curiosity, would you please remind me what title / position this Mr. Jeff Ray holds in what department of the BC gov?

Originally Posted by EndLeSS8

[SkunkWorks]

Originally Posted by Traum

Just for my curiosity, would you please remind me what title / position this Mr. Jeff Ray holds in what department of the BC gov?

Per Google says National Safety Code Clerk, part of the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure.

[Traum]

Thank you, SkunkWorks. I always knew my Googling skills suck, and you have just proved that again.

[EndLeSS8]

Originally Posted by Traum

Just for my curiosity, would you please remind me what title / position this Mr. Jeff Ray holds in what department of the BC gov?

The information that I got, was from one of the key members from the Facebook group. He is not on RS, so I was relaying the information from him.

[bcrdukes]

For those of you questioning the legitimacy of Jeff Ray:

https://dir.gov.bc.ca/gtds.cgi?esear...bjectId=149575

[frsdaily]

Originally Posted by EndLeSS8

To get back on track:

What FRSDAILY posted, is wrong.

BC uses FEDERAL SOUND LEVEL REGULATIONS



Federal testing guidelines are here:

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/...lhHgdpDQmX44Bs

Last point:
7A.01 carries 3 points. The fact that it carries 3 points means it's a driver behavior ticket. It's not for equipment issues, which are covered under different violations (like 7.03). The VPD is incorrectly using it for subjective equipment violations, which is clearly incorrect.

I never said bc does not use federal regulation for noise violations. I said that bc makes their own MVAR/MVA and police officers use this to enforce.

What you are referencing to is relevant to vehicle inspectors whom are doing a vehicle inspection in a shop.

as I stated before. POLICE OFFICERS don't require a DB test to confirm their suspicion on a loud vehicle.

As per to the document you are referring to it's main purpose is not what you are trying to do with it. Look under Offence and Punishments. do you really want to get charged like that? lol...

Quick google search : "The Motor Vehicle Safety Act (MVSA), which was last significantly revised in 1993, regulates the manufacture and importation of motor vehicles as well as new tires and equipment used to restrain children and disabled persons inside the vehicle. "

And thanks your document clarifies that a police officer does have the authority to direct a vehicle to a designated inspection facility.

Yeah go ahead fail the vote ya haters.

[68style]

frsdaily: y’all wasting your time here with repetitive posts

alsofrsdaily: Ima just go ahead an make a lot of repetitive posts

[EndLeSS8]

Originally Posted by frsdaily

I never said bc does not use federal regulation for noise violations. I said that bc makes their own MVAR/MVA and police officers use this to enforce.

What you are referencing to is relevant to vehicle inspectors whom are doing a vehicle inspection in a shop.

as I stated before. POLICE OFFICERS don't require a DB test to confirm their suspicion on a loud vehicle.

As per to the document you are referring to it's main purpose is not what you are trying to do with it. Look under Offence and Punishments. do you really want to get charged like that? lol...

Quick google search : "The Motor Vehicle Safety Act (MVSA), which was last significantly revised in 1993, regulates the manufacture and importation of motor vehicles as well as new tires and equipment used to restrain children and disabled persons inside the vehicle. "

And thanks your document clarifies that a police officer does have the authority to direct a vehicle to a designated inspection facility.

Yeah go ahead fail the vote ya haters.

Yes, you are absolutely correct. 7A.01 DOES NOT require an objective sound pressure measurement. Since it's intended to catch driver behavior, like revving your engine while stopped. The only point we're disagreeing with is that you are saying 7A.01 applies to a loud exhaust, while I'm saying it doesn't and only applies to driver behavior causing 'loud and unnecessary' noise, not simply for having a loud exhaust installed.

However, the second thing I want to point out is that even though we both agree that subjective noise is enough for issuing a 7A.01, the officers are still performing a noise test. The noise test they're using (see this photo on how they're doing it) isn't used for any MVA regulations or procedures, and isn't useful for checking against MVA 7 (27) (which defines passenger limits of 83db using the federal regs). So why are they doing it? Is it all for theatre?

[The_AK]

Big news fellas

[The_AK]

*edit double post*

[nexusxv]

Originally Posted by The_AK

April's fool day?

Yep, www.vancouvernews.com does not even exist)))))

[The_AK]

Originally Posted by nexusxv

April's fool day?

Yep, www.vancouvernews.com does not even exist)))))

Check the post again, video of the article too

[Digitalis]

Now you can https://www.gofundme.com/f/combating...use-by-the-vpd

Originally Posted by Badhobz

i think im going to get a lawyer and sue them

[trollface]

Originally Posted by Digitalis

Now you can https://www.gofundme.com/f/combating...use-by-the-vpd

Now we can give money to a random man on the internet? Look at the updates, there is not a single thing about hiring a lawyer with the 6k raised so far?

[!Aznboi128]

Most lawyers charge 500-800/hr. 6k doesn't go very far.

[bcrdukes]

$6K might get you a few consults and a kick out the door.

[EndLeSS8]

Originally Posted by trollface

Now we can give money to a random man on the internet? Look at the updates, there is not a single thing about hiring a lawyer with the 6k raised so far?

It's in progress. I have no direct affiliation with the organizer, but they have things in the work already, and are with legal counsel since the beginning.

edit: A video update was put up on the Facebook group addressing exactly what you just said. This needs to be done legally, otherwise no changes will occur, and the VPD abuse will continue. Again, I have no affiliation with the organizer, but as a member of the car community since I started driving in 1996, I want to work with the organizers to get things properly addressed and changed, so that all of us don't need to be driving in fear.

[Snip3r]

Originally Posted by frsdaily

POLICE OFFICERS don't require a DB test to confirm their suspicion on a loud vehicle.

See that's the problem though, these officers clearly don't know what 83db is suppose to sound like in proper conditions/testing.

[SSM_DC5]

So in regards to that email from Jeff Ray. What's the procedure to measure dB federally?

[GabAlmighty]

Feeling pretty hectic driving around on my 12" -44 rims... Hopefully I find work and can leave the city soon haha.

[Carguru]

Originally Posted by Snip3r

See that's the problem though, these officers clearly don't know what 83db is suppose to sound like in proper conditions/testing.

The "subjective observation-Supreme Court" proper conditions/testing basically got tossed out with this loop hole:

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...ted-by-police/

[twitchyzero]

earlier at least two officers with vpd traffic unit pulled over a stock af ILX on the viaduct off prior st

[lilaznviper]

could be for speeding. i usually see them there with a radar gun

[6thGear.]

Couple weeks back I saw a uniformed officer hiding behind a CVSE pickup with a radar gun at Knight bridge

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by lilaznviper

could be for speeding. i usually see them there with a radar gun

on the off-ramp? visibility is pretty good there