Tesla Model 3 first look coming March 31 as pressures mount

[!Aznboi128]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

That's exactly it! All this so called fuel savings is bullshit when you consider the model 3 is 50k vs a base model corolla is like 20k. You'll never make back the gas money.

But we can't really compare a corolla to a model 3 in terms of features, creature comfort, feel and finish.

[68style]

That's exactly it! All this so called fuel savings is bullshit when you consider the model 3 is 50k vs a base model corolla is like 20k. You'll never make back the gas money.

Exactly... I have a friend who just took delivery of a Model3... the husband drives 5km to/from work every day and the rationale is to save money through government rebates, gas and he can charge for free at work in the daytime.

They're selling their current vehicle, a super low mileage Toyota Matrix to make room for it.

I asked her to explain how spending $50k+ on a new Tesla saves money on driving an already paid for Matrix that will never have problems... especially given he drives 10km a day tops. Silence... and then some mumbling about gas prices.

It's a lifestyle choice. Pure and simple. I want something new... I want something shiny... I want to play with tech. And that's totally fine, their choice, I just wish people would be honest about it.

Originally Posted by !Aznboi128

But we can't really compare a corolla to a model 3 in terms of features

Why not? What does a base Model3 have that a base Corolla doesn't nowadays besides some of the phone control tech Tesla puts in their cars? We're not in an era where base cars have manual windows and locks anymore. Air conditioning? Okay, go up to the Corolla LE at $21,700 then...

[!Aznboi128]

While the 3 doesn't have the best fit and finish, the materials used is still better than that of the corolla but I do hear where you're coming from. Just saying maybe something bit more upscale like the Mazda 3 maybe more comparable

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by !Aznboi128

But we can't really compare a corolla to a model 3 in terms of features

Yah bro, the Tesla would loose out due to Toyota safety sense 2.0 being standard on even the base models

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

That's exactly it! All this so called fuel savings is bullshit when you consider the model 3 is 50k vs a base model corolla is like 20k. You'll never make back the gas money.

You drive a Corolla?

[68style]

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Dude badhobz LOVES Corollas... it's his 2nd favourite car after the SC430

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Jmac

Adding mechanical complexity, cost, and weight isn't going to increase reliability. Electric motors running at top speed typically isn't an issue. We have some 50 HP fans at my work that have been running 24/7/365 (except a few hours a year for maintenance) for 25 years without any problems.

Isn't the heat from inrush current usually what's harder on motors than runtime? I know the ones I deal with from time to time have each startup equal to X number of running hours (maintenance wise) and if you start it up too many times in an hour it locks out until it's been given enough time to cool. I assume they must do something to keep the magnetic field from collapsing otherwise city driving would nuke these things pretty fast.

Originally Posted by Jmac

Electric motors are also typically most efficient near their top speed.

Which they aren't at most of the time. I would think if you could gear it down it could run closer to top speed all the time and gain efficiency, but maybe not enough to offset the added weight and driveline losses.

Originally Posted by 68style

I asked her to explain how spending $50k+ on a new Tesla saves money on driving an already paid for Matrix that will never have problems... especially given he drives 10km a day tops. Silence... and then some mumbling about gas prices.

10km/day, say 10L/100km, even at $2/L that'll take 96 years to pay off with fuel savings

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by 68style

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Dude badhobz LOVES Corollas... it's his 2nd favourite car after the SC430

Will you marry me ?!

[!LittleDragon]

Originally Posted by Jmac

Adding mechanical complexity, cost, and weight isn't going to increase reliability. Electric motors running at top speed typically isn't an issue. We have some 50 HP fans at my work that have been running 24/7/365 (except a few hours a year for maintenance) for 25 years without any problems.

I'm not talking about wear and tear from the spinning. I'm talking about wear and tear from spinning at high RPM while taking jolts from the road. I don't think these fans you're talking about would last 25 years if they were constantly shaken hard while in operation.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by !LittleDragon

I'm not talking about wear and tear from the spinning. I'm talking about wear and tear from spinning at high RPM while taking jolts from the road. I don't think these fans you're talking about would last 25 years if they were constantly shaken hard while in operation.

BC ferries uses electric motors to drive the ferries. Also cars use electric fans and those seem to last.

[!LittleDragon]

Originally Posted by Manic!

BC ferries uses electric motors to drive the ferries. Also cars use electric fans and those seem to last.

Do they go 18k RPM? Things go out of balanced in the car all the time like drive shafts. They start to wobble and vibrate. The faster they spin, the more it vibrates eventually destroying itself. Think of your washing machine on the spin cycle when the balance is off. If the motor becomes unbalanced after hitting a pothole, you may not notice it at first but it'll eventually wreck itself. It'll get there faster at higher RPMs. If the motor runs at a lower RPM through the use of a transmission, it may last a lot longer.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

sounded like 3 hours of driving around in anxiety finding a charger

and 8 hour drive vs 5 daily is a big deal whether you're only away for a long weekend/2 week trip

what's a tank of gas daily when you're on a vacation? i dont mind spending a bit more on essentials when you're supposed to be relaxed

again, i'm for EVs on many aspects, but road trip is not one of them, not until there are chargers everywhere and portable cells you can carry as extras

You have never done one in a Tesla I assume?

The Tesla nav is so good that it can plan everything for you... including the supercharger point you should stop. No range anxiety... I mean, in the city maybe... but not in a roadtrip.

Originally Posted by !LittleDragon

Do they go 18k RPM? Things go out of balanced in the car all the time like drive shafts. They start to wobble and vibrate. The faster they spin, the more it vibrates eventually destroying itself. Think of your washing machine on the spin cycle when the balance is off. If the motor becomes unbalanced after hitting a pothole, you may not notice it at first but it'll eventually wreck itself. It'll get there faster at higher RPMs. If the motor runs at a lower RPM through the use of a transmission, it may last a lot longer.

My Dyson spins at 120,000RPM and it had been going strong for the last 3yrs I've owned it... used daily too.

Things get wonky in ICE because of the combustion... everytime it ignites, you are degrading the engine. Electrical motors work on a very different principle. They are not perfect, but they cannot be compared apple to apple.

[Koflach]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

That's exactly it! All this so called fuel savings is bullshit when you consider the model 3 is 50k vs a base model corolla is like 20k. You'll never make back the gas money.

but the model 3 isn't competing with a base model corrola, a better comparison would be the accord.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by !LittleDragon

Do they go 18k RPM? Things go out of balanced in the car all the time like drive shafts. They start to wobble and vibrate. The faster they spin, the more it vibrates eventually destroying itself. Think of your washing machine on the spin cycle when the balance is off. If the motor becomes unbalanced after hitting a pothole, you may not notice it at first but it'll eventually wreck itself. It'll get there faster at higher RPMs. If the motor runs at a lower RPM through the use of a transmission, it may last a lot longer.

Good thing the Tesla does not have a traditional drive shaft.

[!LittleDragon]

Originally Posted by Manic!

Good thing the Tesla does not have a traditional drive shaft.

Neither does a washing machine.... Things that spin that fast need to be perfectly balanced. You may not notice an out of balanced tire when it's rotating slowly like while driving in the city and it'll probably last forever but you sure notice it on the highway. Spin that tire to 18k rpm and your wheel bearing is gone.

[!LittleDragon]

Originally Posted by Hehe

My Dyson spins at 120,000RPM and it had been going strong for the last 3yrs I've owned it... used daily too.

Again, it's not experiencing any violent lateral shocks to the motor while in operation so not an apples to apples comparison.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by !LittleDragon

Again, it's not experiencing any violent lateral shocks to the motor while in operation so not an apples to apples comparison.

Lateral shocks are relative. I don't think the amount of G I'm putting on my Dyson why suddenly moving it up and down or side to side or even rotational movement while vacuuming at full speed is any less than what a Tesla would experience (again, relatively speaking) while going on the road. If anything, I'd say that my Dyson experience significantly higher degree of shocks, and yet, it works just fine.

[!LittleDragon]

Looks like it actually is a problem. I'd be interested to find out if these cars with motor failures were mainly city or highway miles.

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors...n_tesla_motor/

[whitev70r]

Model 3 Slayer!

https://youtu.be/v-jSQIgsL5M

[Koflach]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Model 3 Slayer!

https://youtu.be/v-jSQIgsL5M

Why did they use the AWD and not the performance version of the model 3 in the video?

[roastpuff]

Originally Posted by Koflach

Why did they use the AWD and not the performance version of the model 3 in the video?

It's likely a friend's, and not a press car. So it's whoever's car they can scare up.

[!Aznboi128]

This, no press Tesla in Canada

[68style]

The performance version comes in AWD too that’s what my friend has...

[Hehe]

Helping in-laws to gather infos.

Any recommended electrician to install a charger? (either Nema or Tesla Wall charger)

TIA!

[aznfreak]

Don't know if its mentioned but BC government offers free chargers.Just pay for electrician

https://zapbc.ca/

Edit: sorry nvm it just ended